У обеих есть крепления под диски (Post Mount) и под вибрейки.
Различия:
1. Разные типы демпферов. В более дорогой - картриджная система. В элит - open bath,
масло прямо в ногах.
2. Разные воздушные пружины
3. Регулировка отскока в элит имеет меньший диапазон кручения ручки. Кроме того,
у этой регулировки у элит нет дискретных кликов, она крутится непрерывно. У Абсолют - дискретные клики.
4. Масса
Я в этом году тоже выбирал вилку. Сначала хотел R7 Absolute, из-за ее офигительной
легкости. Но в итоге склонился к серии Minute, у которой ноги 32мм (у R7 - 30мм), из-за
чего Minute имеет бОльшую торсионную жесткость и без сильного перебора в массе.
Ну и еще у Минут нет креплений для вибрейков, для меня это плюс
В итоге стал выбирать между Minute MRD и Minute Elite Absolute. Это тоже самое, что
выбирать между R7 MRD и R7 Elite Absolute. Пообщался с техподдержкой Answer, фирмой,
чей бренд Маниту. Получил исчерпывающие ответы на все свои вопросы. В итоге взял Elite Absolute 100mm Alloy (Alloy означет, что рулевой штырь из сплава алюминия, а не из стали. Стальной тяжелее на ~200г). Масса моей вилки 1638г. Очень доволен.
Вот выдержки из переписки с Answer. Переводить лениво:) Кому надо, тот поймет
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Now I'm choosing between Minute Elite Absolute (Alloy)
and Minute MRD Absolute. The difference in price
is appreciable. Is Minute MRD much more better in riding,
in your personal opinion? Or they are commensurable (if
to forget about weight difference)? I'm ~75kg, if it is
important for this question.
No problem. The difference is weight and adjustability. The MRD is around 100-150 grams lighter. The MRD uses a cartridge-style damping system, which has wider range of adjustment.
Is having the lightest weight very important to you? Get the MRD.
Are you very particular about your fork set up? Do you need a wide range of adjustment? Get the MRD.
If these are not very important to you, get the Elite. You can use the savings to drink a Балтика 8 for me...it's my favorite
both forks have three adjustments:
1. Air
2. Rebound
3. "five click" knob: Platform or Compression
Elite has "Absolute Platform Damper" (not a cartridge?),
MRD has "Lightweight Cartridge Absolute Platform Damper".
So you want to say that "Platform" / "Compression" adjustments
are noticeably different? Didn't know that before.
> Is having the lightest weight very important to you? Get the MRD.
Ok
> Are you very particular about your fork set up? Do you need a wide
> range of adjustment? Get the MRD.
May you give me some more details? What extra adjustments are in MRD?
> Elite has "Absolute Platform Damper" (not a cartridge?)
Correct, the Elite is what we call an "in leg application." This means the oil is right inside the stanchion leg.
MRD has "Lightweight Cartridge Absolute Platform Damper". The cartridge is a smaller diameter tube inserted into the stanchion. The oil is only in this smaller diameter tube. Since there is less oil volume, the damping adjustments are more pronounced (if you drop a large rock into a small stream, it affects the flow of the stream more so than if you drop a large rock into a river). Also, since oil is heavy, this lower oil volume contributes to the lighter weight of the fork. The other weight savings in the MRD is due to a hollow crown (the Elite's crown is solid).
> So you want to say that "Platform" / "Compression" adjustments
> are noticeably different? Didn't know that before.
I'm sorry, I should be more specific. The damping adjustments have a wider range. Since you're looking at the Absolute version, it's only the rebound damping adjustment that will be noticeably different. The Elite rebound damping adjustment knob has about 180 degrees of rotation, while the MRD has around 900 degrees of rotation. The MRD has the same adjustments, but greater adjustability within these given adjustments. For example, if we imagine the entire range of rebound damping adjustment on a line marked 1-10 (no damping through fully locked, the Elite may only have a range of 1-6 (this is entirely hypothetical), while the MRD may have a range of 1-10 (again, entirely hypothetical). From experience, I know the MRD's damping rebound has so much adjustment that it can be locked in the compressed position (10 on our imaginary line), while the Elite doesn't have this much range of adjustment. Now, who really needs this full range of adjustment??? If you're very particular about your damping adjustments (custom-tuning your shims or changing the oil weight to achieve a specific rate) then this full range of adjustment may be beneficial. Otherwise, you may not even notice... And, again, you're only concerned with the rebound damping adjustment, since you would have the Absolute version.
Now, about Absolute. This compression damping system allows the rider to change the platform threshold by merely turning the dial on top of the right (drive side) leg. Turning the dial fully anticlockwise allows the fork to be fully active; that is, with no platform. Turning the dial clockwise increases the platform threshold (I like turning mine 2 clicks clockwise for most cross-country conditions...it adequately reduces bobbing when standing, and still soaks up all but the smallest bumps). Turning the dial fully clockwise increases the platform threshold so high, that it performs similarly to a lockout on all but the largest hits.
No, it is not simpler to service because it is not a one-piece cartridge. It is a bit more complicated than the in-leg application (but not much). Reliability should be comparable, but the in-leg application has been used for many years...the MRD cartridge is new this year.
Yes, you're correct; when the Absolute knob is turned fully anticlockwise, it performs similar to TPC. When it is turned clockwise, then the platform is engaged. I notice a difference between all the adjustments, but, personally, I only use three positions: fully anticlockwise, two clicks clockwise, and fully clockwise. TPC is fairly simple (just shims and a needle), but so is the Absolute (shims and a poppet with a spring on top).
If you're a "bike-wanderer" and not racing...I hate to make a recommendation...but the Elite Absolute may be a better choice. Remember, higher performance=more maintenance (the Marketing guys may tell you differently, but I'm a Tech guy
). I don't think the performance difference is something that 99% of riders will notice, and since you're not racing, the weight (although important) isn't enough of a difference to justify the extra cost and more complicated maintenance. That's just my professional opinion, though. You ride, you decide.
I think the Elite Absolute Alloy will be a good choice for you. Yes, please let me know your opinions of the forks' performance.
The Noble Air system is a brand new system, with the main features being an automatically adjustable negative spring and an elastomer top-out bumper. The Mars Air system has been used for a number of years, which uses a compression coil spring instead of a negative spring. I'm very happy with the Mars Air system and use it on my personal bike, but I don't have much experience with the Noble Air system yet.
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А, только увидел, что мы говорим об R7 MRD TPC и R7 Elite Absolute. Из этих двух я бы выбрал Absolute. Потому что Absolute при выключенной красной крутилочке (платформа absolute) работает ровно как TPC, но при этом имеет еще несколько других режимов
работы, которых нет у TPC.
Прошлогоднюю R7 из триала не советую. У нее демпфер FFD, гораздо более тупая система
по сравнению с TPC и Absolute.
Вот хорошая ветка, в которой масса полезной инфы по вопросу:
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=355174
В том числе там отвечали инженеры из Answer, объясняющие устройство их вилок.
